Tuesday, September 28, 2010

Norman Walker disciple...to be or not to be?

SO (my mom pointed out how often I begin statements with this conjunction) I have been reading some propaganda in favor of a raw foods diet. A couple of friends and I recently delved into conversation about nutrition, health and the problems with Western medicine. They recommended that I read Norman Walker's books...he's totally their dude and they've been following his diet and health methods for years. One of them used to have bad acne and after a few months of raw foods and fresh juices she saw improvements. She now has completely clear skin. The other used to suffer from fatigue and headaches a lot and now doesn't deal with these symptoms and says she doesn't get sick.

The thing is, I've started reading some of Norm's stuff and I must say it seems shockingly radical upon first hearing. He basically advocates only eating raw fruits, vegetables, seeds and nuts, which isn't all that different from many other nutrition articles I've read as far as these things being beneficial. His books talk about how processed foods are deplete of any nutritional value (which is also nothing new) as well as how cooking above 120 degrees Fahrenheit kills off the necessary enzymes and organic properties of living foods. I knew before that the more vegetables were cooked the more nutrients they retained, which is another thing that seems sort of intuitive. But, from this angle, cooked foods are not only lacking nutrients but they are detrimental to one's health.

Another huge point of his, though, is drinking lots of fresh vegetable and fruit juices. He talks about the specific benefits of the juice of each plant as well as mixing them for the purpose of helping certain problems or promoting the health of specific areass of the body. Juicing is important, he says, because some of the nutrients in foods are expended in order to digest the food and takes a long time, whereas the nutrients in the juices can be absorbed within minutes. It is important to juice and drink them fresh, though, because they lose much of their value 30 minutes after juicing.

A major thrust of his teachings are promoting colon health. Walker (not to be confused with Texan law enforcement) argues that 80% of disease finds its origin in the colon. According to his argument, when waste isn't moving through the colon normally, it ferments and putrifies, releasing toxins into the body which cause all kinds of ailments. He talks about how many people's normal diet is largely inorganic and leads to the build-up of slime on the walls of the colon which not only stays there but can block absorption of nutrients. The fibers of raw foods act as an intestinal broom, cleaning this out. He also advocates regular colon irrigations, which is essentially washing out the colon with water to remove waste that has accumulated.

Sounds bizarre, huh? I mean, even besides the colon irrgations, it seems hard to think that the way most people have been preparing food for hundreds of years is actually detrimental to human health. Then again, it make sense that although the human body is very adaptable, we reap what we sow in our old age as all the abuse the body has taken over the years starts to show. We naturally link old age and poor health, but I have heard from a couple places that this is not necessarily true and that a lot of cancers, senility, vericose veins, arthritis and other problems associated with old age are because of poor health choices throughout life. A natural death would then be seen as a short, peaceful death without degeneration over tens of years.

My jury is still out but I am very thoughtfully considering making some diet changes. Norm Walker made it to 99, which is pretty good, seeing as the average for males now is 74.7. I'm interested to hear your reactions.

17 comments:

justjess said...

I'd be interested to hear more about it all. However, I like food, a lot and I like healthiness too. I guess I think somewhere there's a healthy balance. Who really wants to live to 99 anyway?

Maeret said...

Personal favorite quotes:
-'not to be confused with Texas law enforcement'
-'Colon Irrigation'

okay, now a serious comment:
I guess I am wondering (and I don't know the answer, so feedback welcome) how this compares with the Jewish perspective. Specifically in light of the sacrificial system, as many offerings were commanded to be cooked and then eaten (ie. bread, meat). So (its a nice transition word) it would appear that if G-d ordered his people to do so it would not be detrimental to our health.... since he forbade the consumption of other animals and plants that were unclean.

But I don't have scripture references (as you can see), so I could be wrong?

Interesting topic however,.....

cass said...

I have been concerned about nutrition recently as well. I feel like it is the source of a lot of my issues.

However I am curious what he would recommend in the winter. When naturally fruits & veggies aren't available to us. I like Maeret's observation & I agree with Jess that there has to be a healthy balance. Let me know when you find it :)

Kait said...

I understand where you guys are coming from, but here's my problem with the logic of "healthy balance": if we agree that something is bad for you, then using it or doing it sometimes would not be a healthy balance. For instance, if someone came to agree that watching movies with sex scenes is detrimental to spiritual and emotional health, one wouldn't then watch them once in a while to maintain a "healthy balance." If something is bad, then it more of a life and death being set before you and the need to choose life situation.

It seems the question is whether it is good to eat raw foods and whether cooked and processed foods are bad for you, or whether both are necessary for a healthy balance. Therefore there would be a weight on you guys to show why certain food are not unhealthy or why it is balanced to eat unhealthy foods. Otherwise "healthy balance" is justification for bad choices. (realize I'm not living the raw foods lifestyle so I'm not saying I'm doing right and other people are doing wrong. I'm just exploring these thoughts.)

As far as scriptural basis, G-d said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food." (Gen 1:29). There are no plants that are unclean, then, unless I missed a later modification of this commandment. G-d gave animals to eat after the flood, so this seems to show it wasn't His original plan. Plus, check out the story of when Daniel and his crew went tru veg.

As far as the sacrificial system, we obviously don't make animal sacrifices anymore because of Yeshua, so that doesn't seem to apply.

The point about bread is a good one; you've probably got me there. Although, I'm sure back then their flour was produced much differently than now post-industrialization. Anyone?

Kait said...

Oh, and I don't know about the question about seasonal produce...I'll have to check on that. It was something I wondered, too.

-J- said...

i have heard that cooking some foods helps in the digestion process and is actually better to eat them that way...

So, what does science say?
also, who says healthy can't be tasty?

just some interesting info on the worlds oldest man back in 09/2009
check this guy out:
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2009-09-24-oldest-man-diet_N.htm

guess you'll have to copy and paste it into your address box if you want to read it..

cass said...

So healthy balance... -1 +1 =0 a negative cancels a positive, so for every raw veggie(+) I consume I should get to eat something not so healthy(-) right... it's math. :)

So are you saying the L-rd did not know that there would have to be a flood and that He would eventually need to set before man the choice to eat meat? He gave us canines... Could our perfect G-d create an imperfect plan that He would have to modify?

cass said...

When in doubt, askMoses.com

It seems that it is believed that it is a blessing to the food you eat(any of G-d's creations) if you are living a G-dly lifestyle. Because it elevates their existence, by being a part of us serving G-d & giving us the energy to do so. I have never thought about it this way. I may not be saying it clearly so here are a couple links.

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/259,2175818/What-is-the-Jewish-view-on-eating-meat.html

http://www.askmoses.com/en/article/259,2175703/Isnt-it-cruel-to-eat-meat.html

Kait said...

Jeremy- interesting about that dude. And I sure didn't say healthy can's be tasty...fresh produce is about as good as it gets!

Cass- It's math. And science. And eCONomics. :)

And, no I wasn't saying that He didn't know, I actually didn't think about it that way. Good point. But that question is interesting in light of discussion about free will. If G-d knows the outcome and alters the future in light of that (causes all things to work together for good), that doesn't necessarily mean that we never had a choice.

And, yeah, I actually sat in on a teaching from an Hassidic rabbi talking about the elevation of the animal kingdom through eating it. I get that, but that's assuming kosher slaughter and the absence of cruelty, which is rather uncommon in the meat industry. But, I think you're right that it can't be wrong to eat meat if G-d gave it to eat.

That said, people in this country generally eat more meat than would ever be imagined in most other centuries. There are plenty of studies I've read about how people should hold off on eating much red meat. And if we're buying kosher meat it's probably not affordable to eat it all the time, aside from the health issue.

Kait said...

This is fun! Thanks for talking about this with me!

cass said...

Oh, by the way. I am not saying I live a G-dly enough lifestyle to eat meat... It wasn't really an argument for me eating meat. Just an interesting point.

I will summarize what I was taught one time while having a free will discussion.

So G-d works outside of time. So He sees the beginning the end and everything in between all together So He knows every possible outcome, yet we are able to live in free will... What do you think?

ps Kate you are distracting my from work with good conversation!

Kait said...

Yeah, I agree and have been taught that, but you should expound on that later.

I know! I'm supposed to be listening to a women's studies lecture! It's too tempting...

Anonymous said...

Wow! My brain is swirling! What a group of smart people!!! Reading Kate's blog is as educational as listening to NPR!! My two thoughts are: 1.maybe I should at least give up drinking chemicals (diet Coke!!). 2)WWJD...He served bread and fish to the 5000! So I won't be giving up those anytime soon!

Love ya, Kate! You inspire me every day.

Mom

P.S...should I quit bringing pies to KL?

Anonymous said...

No, you don't need to stop bringing the pies!

Also, I've read that it's an affront to God's holiness to not eat meat based upon Genesis 1-3. Because as you noted if God declared meat okay in Genesis 9 then who is man to question God.

Also, Brooks emphasizes the same things for your diet that Chuck Norris did (I mean Walker). So despite our cooking over the past hundreds of years, maybe over the past thousands they ate fresh. Plus who wants to cook a few times a day!!! If cold leftovers don't bother me, I need to look into not cooking in general.

Paul

-J- said...

do you cook a lot in general Mr. Paul?

Kait said...

Thanks mom! And yes about the bread and fish. Although I still hold that bread then was different than bread now.

I bet Chuck Norris eats food raw.

mountain girl said...

Hey! Sorry to jump in on this kinda late, but....I followed the Walker/Hallelujah Diet for several years so I get what you're talking about. I think it is a really good diet for recovery or regaining health. I also think (now) that it may not be ideal for sustaining generations of healthy offspring. But It's DEFINITELY better than the standard American diet of processed, refined, pasteurized, life-stripped, protein-laden food most of us have been raised on!

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